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your tool in tonight vision radio

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exposing the truth one secret at a time

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why not me

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welcome to night vision radio

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hi everybody welcome to night vision

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radio I'm your host Renee Barnett we've

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got a great show tonight with our great

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old friend Jose escamilla the rod man

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himself who is the discoverer of a

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strange flying object or objects i

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should say many of them that seemed to

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be alive in the skies and in fact he's

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going to tell us what he thinks that

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they are and what's been happening in

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his latest rod research but before we

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get to my guests i want to remind

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everybody too if you're a music lover or

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and if you know a songwriter please send

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them over to return of the troubadour

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calm there's some great people over

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there they're having a songwriting

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contest and there's some great prizes I

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know that the first prize is like five

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thousand dollars in gold coins so that's

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a pretty nice little incentive i would

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say and what they're looking for our

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songs that send a positive message or

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are uplifting to people because they

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feel that that's what's needed in the

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world and music is is very powerful in

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that way so please go to return to the

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Troubadour comm check out the contest

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details there and also like them please

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on facebook that's return of the

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Troubadour so Hosea escamilla welcome to

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night vision once again hey Renee it's

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good to be on again well it is i'm so

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happy that you agreed to let me twist

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your arm one more time and i wanted to

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get the latest the skinny on on the rod

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business now first of all for anyone who

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might be listening that doesn't exactly

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know what a-rod is can you please tell

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us a little bit about the sort of

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genesis of this whole thing how you got

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started and what it was that that you've

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discovered okay well i was at rao's in

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roswell new mexico on march of 1994

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places yeah i went to visit my mom and

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my sister you know my brother and I had

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just got through

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editing and composing music for our

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first movie which was pretty cool so we

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went to Roswell just to hang out and it

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was on marks fifth nineteen ninety-four

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that my sister calls me from Midway

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which is where we have a farm nine miles

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south of Roslin she said Jose bring the

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video camera there's UFOs out there you

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know so I took my time getting there I

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go yeah you know she probably mom

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probably must be just go over there neat

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you know and uh so I took my time

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getting there but when I got there I was

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expecting you know John Williams music

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and close encounter UFOs you know that

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type of stuff flying around but that's

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not the way they appear at all and I

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told at this time you really weren't

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into the UFO subject oh yeah I've been

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to UFO since I was a kid I've had UFO

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sightings since I was like nine years

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old oh so that's why she said get out

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here cuz she knew you'd be interested

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way plus a year before this she and my

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daughter Sheila had had a UFO encounter

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right outside their house in in

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rossville but anyway I get there it's

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about two o'clock in the afternoon broad

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daylight and I'm looking for these UFOs

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ago Becky I don't see anything she goes

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straight up you know it straight up

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above us at high noon there's this dome

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shaped object and it's just hovering

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there so I immediately say that's a

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weather balloon Becky you know and then

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this was what's this day time yes broad

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daylight March fifth night tonight two

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o'clock in the afternoon clear blue

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skies that were not any clouds at all

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you know so there's this object there

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and I said that's a weather balloon but

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as soon as I said that this UFO just

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zipped and zipped you know away real

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fast and formed a triangle in the sky

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you know just zipped away that quick

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this maneuver and I go well that's not a

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weather balloon so I started filming it

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and the camera at that time we were

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using was an RCA VHS cam and the highest

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shutter setting in Charlotte was at 2001

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2002 setting which was clarity you know

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and so I film 16 minutes of UFO activity

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because the camera battery died I wasn't

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prepared so I took the footage back to

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Roswell and started looking at it frame

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by frame and then I started seeing rods

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and I started seeing triangle ships

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different kinds of objects man there was

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like about 20 or 30 different shapes and

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varieties of UFOs that appeared there

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that day so the rods thing that you know

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they just look like cigar-shaped objects

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and I only had a small clip of two rods

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flying above the telephone poles going

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away so then on March 19th I get a call

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from becky and she says there's UFOs out

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here again so this time I was prepared I

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had two cameras we had a candidate shot

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at 15 thousand shutter setting which is

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a higher setting and the reason we use

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high shutter settings is because that's

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clarity when you throw a baseball you

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know at 40 or 50 miles an hour and you

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read record at 12 thousand up to 15

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thousand shutter setting and when you

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play it back frame by frame you see the

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baseball it's not a blurred elongated

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object whereas if you shoot at the

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normal or auto setting that's when

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objects become elongated and bird okay

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thus mmm insect theory that came out and

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so all right but I clarified that I said

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no if you shoot using my skype fishing

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protocol it eliminates birds insects

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dragonflies and everything else and you

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switch yeah you coined the term rods and

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you also coined the term sky fishing

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right yes after term exactly because one

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day in a certain area they'd be biting

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the next day they'd be in a different

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you know area the sky pond is what we

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used to call it just like Skype fish you

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know so we went sky fish and these

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things had maneuvers like as if they

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were swimming through the air they

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weren't flying you know like birds they

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were swimming using the air as water and

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this is why moving moving like a fish

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yeah like a Skype

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yeah so they were it was an amazing

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phenomena and for a while there I

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stopped filming because i was getting

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accused by skeptics that i was hoaxing

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it that I was doing it on a computer I

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don't with those days oh yeah you know

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all right what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna

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get people from all over the country to

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start filming in their backyards and

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using my Scott fishing protocol and if

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they cares rod activity in their area

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they'll catch him you know and sure

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enough man we hit pay dirt because we

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started getting video footage from all

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over the country and then we started

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getting as the years went by we got

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footage from all over the world of

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skyfish you know and rods the only crush

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that we always had we never had the

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right camera equipment okay most of my

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camera stuff and editing Bay had been

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destroyed during the Northridge

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earthquake in January 94 so I didn't

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have any more equipment and when the UFO

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showed up I decided to stay in Roswell

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and continue research on him and you

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know be pretty soon my budget ran out

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and i couldn't i mean i was paying 1500

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dollars a month for internet service

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under my gosh yeah and that was it crazy

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so yeah and that was piped in from

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Albuquerque 1500 Mars Renee you know and

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I oh that's unbelievable now let me just

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ask you something real quick because I

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you know I just heard something that

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confused me a little bit is a skyfish

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the same thing as a rod mm-hmm yes it's

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just a different word yeah yeah we just

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calmed skyfish because they swim through

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the air like fish Hey look like you know

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they look like they have like appendages

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coming out like a centipede or something

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like that almost a parents they have

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more like a membrane across the torso

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and this is how come we call them rods

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because my girlfriend at that time she

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was a nurse and she said that looks like

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a rod and I go what's arad she says in a

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medical dictionary Tabor's medical

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dictionary look up the word rod and it's

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a it's a bacteria that cigar shape

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and has a membrane across right you're

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like size with a microscopic you'd have

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to look at a microscopic image yeah of

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that and they're very tiny as opposed to

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these have to be quite large don't they

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yeah yeah these okay the cameras are

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like a macro scope okay it allows us to

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see things that without the use of the

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camera we wouldn't be able to see when

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the naked eye because these so doggone

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fast and uh you know a microscope allows

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us to see the world of the very small

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you know so now the things that we

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always wanted was a high-speed camera

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set up to where we could film the rods

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that you know at one or two or three

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thousand frames per second which is much

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different than shutter setting when you

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shoot something at a thousand frames per

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second you can slow it down enough a

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bullet for example you know you can see

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a pristine when you see it frame by

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frame and also shooting at high speed

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like that it totally eliminates birds

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insects and anything else that's flying

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through the scene when you shoot at high

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speed okay well because of the advent of

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digital camcorders and then digital

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cameras and now the new cameras that are

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out to allow you to film and they're

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affordable we now have a smoking gun

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that we've always looked for a rod shot

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at the highest speed at high speed and

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uh we have one shot in the UK during the

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making of a a wingsuit jumping thing

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that what's the name of the red bull red

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bull made this TV special and there's a

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guy falling it at 148 miles an hour he's

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filmed it a thousand frames per second

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super slow motion okay mmm super slow

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motion and he's coming pretty slow from

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from high atop this mountain they're

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filming upward and he's barely traveling

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when a rod flies through the scene

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faster than anything in there you know

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and so and it's not a bird it's not an

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insect it's a rod because it

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frames per second there's no mistaking

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it it eliminates everything else right

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and the best news we have is we now have

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another rods shot using the red cam now

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I don't know if you know but cameras but

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the ring out the red cam is like the

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highest resolution 4004 k resolution I

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mean it's like it's the most clear clear

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photography you can make you are making

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major motion pictures with this cam yes

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they are solution yeah well we now have

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a rod shot with the red cam at 2,000

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frames per second I believe it was and

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guess what it's a rod and it's shot at

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24 p 24 frames per second but at the

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speed of a thousand frames per second

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but 24 p and metal and it's this is not

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interlaced video it's straight frame by

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frame action so when we slow down this

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rod man it's it proves without a doubt

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that Roger real okay and is that image

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up on your side anywhere oh the guy that

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filmed it is asking $25,000 for the

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footage oh this is because it's the

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first UFO ever filmed with the red cam

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in highest resolution in the world okay

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he called it a UFO until he found out it

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was rod but he's willing to license it

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to me for my film they live in the skies

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for twenty five hundred dollars ten

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percent of what he's asking but your

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licensure to it so I can include it in

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my movie they live in the skies which is

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going to be coming out as soon as I get

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the budget to do it I'm going to I'm

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going to do the ultimate rods film and

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it's going to have this incredible

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footage that totally live Atlantic and

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the name of it is they live in the skies

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yeah which basically says that you

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believe that these are some kind of

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living organism or something it is a

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species of some kind it has all the

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behavior of a living creature of some

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kind of it it's it's very it's

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intelligent too because we have

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footage of a base jumper falling into

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this cave in Mexico and a rod comes

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right at him and then immediately does a

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u-turn avoiding a collision so they're

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quick thinking creatures or whatever

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they are we also have we also have

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footage of a rod on Mars actually I have

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about six photos of rods on Mars and the

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latest one is actual movie footage

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because it shot into the ground or it

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shot into the other side of the valley

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but a huge rod flies running to the

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scene and it's definitely a rod you

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can't mistake it for anything else so

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these things have the ability to

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traverse our skies we have footage of

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them taken by the shuttle the shuttles

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and also by the ISS International Space

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Station and high resolution you know

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infrared footage of rods and he has oh

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that's right Sean was on the show a

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couple weeks back I know and I mystic

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saw some of his images yeah well he's

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got squadrons yeah yeah other footage of

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these things in the infrared what's cool

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about him not sean is that he he's very

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smart he filmed everything in the

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infrared in daytime okay he filmed in

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sets boom see so we can see what their

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flight signature is in the infrared he

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filmed dragonflies you can clearly see

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the Dragonfly film birds you can clearly

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distinguish what a bird-like bird looks

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like but then when he filmed rods they

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have their own signature to in the

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infrared footage and a-rod is a-rod an

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insect as an insect a bird is a bird at

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dragonfly as a dragonfly and that's what

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I've always maintained when you film at

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the high shutter settings and now that

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we have these high-speed shots of rods a

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totally eliminates everything that

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critics would call insects miss film is

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the word baby in other than the fact

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that they sort of look like they're

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swimming like fish you know what are

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some of the behaviors that make you

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think I mean other other than that sort

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of the membrane look that they have

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makes you think that they might be some

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some living thing like in the chat room

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they're talking about it and neutron was

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saying you know heather has have you

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ever witnessed them hovering still you

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know holding or are they always in

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movement well we have footage this is

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going to be in the film this is why I

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can't wait to make the they live in the

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skies because we have footage of a-rod

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not flying left to right or right to

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left or up or down it's fine it's flying

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down on its side okay it's the it's the

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rod but it's going downward you know

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falling straight down and that's the

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first time we've ever filmed a rod like

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that you know so uh another thing too we

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have footage of rods underwater and I

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think I have let me see if I have on

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YouTube I think I have on YouTube a

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promo of they live in the skies and it

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you can see some of this footage except

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what do you say i think it is on there i

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saw that i think and you know like their

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behaviors have you noticed any other

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patterns and a bill from new york in the

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chat room was brought up a really good

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question about you know are the rods

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seem do they seem to be attracted to any

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energy sources whether it be power lines

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or lightning or nuclear power plants or

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something of that nature have you

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noticed that they hang around a certain

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type of area well you know when we first

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started investigating the phenomenon and

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we did everything Renee we covered every

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base because we wanted to find out what

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it was it attracted them okay

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possibility of what they were eating you

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know so we found a lot of rod activity

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above power lines okay we also

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so found a lot of route activity where

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people are doing sports you know like

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skypes you know skydivers man you know

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we have footage of rods at ten fifteen

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thousand feet that are zipping right

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around parachutists you know yeah

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there's a promo up there and we also

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have rods of you know footage of rods

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underwater the underwater stuff is

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amazing and I think I have yeah yeah I

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think this is it hang on let me just

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double check here um I think this is you

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know i I've seen other shows or you know

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footage of from I remember there was a

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National Geographic special one time

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where they caught rods in the in the

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images it's that's happened a lot of

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times yeah movies usually it happens by

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accident that these people are

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completely by accident as if you know

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and you know what's amazing is the

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feeling of something that just flew over

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you you know something that just flew

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over you and you filmed it and it's an

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extraordinary thing you know so it's

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like it's just it's just a an incredible

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feeling when you wouldn't you get this

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it's a euphoric feeling out have you

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seen these with the naked eye I see him

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all the time I see him all the time the

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naked eye eh I got to work because now

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you have a trained eye well yeah I've

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accepted the fact that they are there

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they are real you know it's like it's

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like when Columbus landed in these

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islands you know the natives didn't see

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these giant ships that they came in but

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they did see them when they come in on

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canoes you know they saw Columbus and

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you know his troops so because they

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weren't used to seeing these giant ships

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you know that they came across the ocean

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in all they saw was the men as they

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appeared in canoes that's one thing that

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they realize is real to them as akin

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you know so uh it's the same thing with

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rods until you see a you know

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acknowledge the fact that these things

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are real and they are there and you get

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used to seeing the footage Jim Peters

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was one of my biggest critics for

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Colorado MUFON back in the days he came

447
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in in 1995 and he spent time he thought

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they were just missed from the insects

449
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from the get-go so he came sat down next

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to me and he watched every clip that I

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had at that time and he started seeing

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the difference between an insects flight

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a bird and a rod there's a distinct

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shape you know that the way they fly you

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can tell can tell one from the other so

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um yeah people can see them with the

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naked eye and there's probably a lot of

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people that have seen them if you've

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ever seen anything you know white flash

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either in front of your face or in your

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eye peripheral or a dark you know

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something dark the past by real quick

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and you look and there's nothing there

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that was probably a rod that's not

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that's how you see them with the naked

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eye you know can dinner are there in

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abundance of them out there they're

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everywhere yeah some areas they're

469
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scarce and other areas there they are

470
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definitely there you can see the rods

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promo- the high-speed footage and all

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that and you can see the underwater

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footage of the rod with Eli Martinez

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explaining it he's a guy that does uh he

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does shark studies you know he filmed

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this rod you can plainly see the rod

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underwater there's also uh the rod flies

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downward you can see the Fox TV rod

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which is an interesting shot it's a very

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interesting chef so there's I've got

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stuff on my youtube channel just go to

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youtube.com slash jose escamilla and

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then click on the videos section and

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you've got all sorts of footage there oh

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cool well you know there are some

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particular locations I know what you've

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kind of found there was kind of like a

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hotbed of productivity and yeah we've

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got a

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and I've time before the break to go

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into it but what about remember that

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cave in Mexico and I i saw i think i

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posted a picture an image a still image

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on my facebook page from it today and

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there were just all kinds of Rods now i

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know that you ended up filming a special

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on rods for fox which did not err in the

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United States but aired elsewhere around

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the world yeah you know Fox never paid

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me those suckers never heavy because it

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is so bad about that yeah story but we

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have a we have a story behind that don't

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we Jose because you I you know I was I

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had a production company at that time

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gosh what year was that anyway yep circa

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2000 2000 okay and I had a production

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company with another producer colleague

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and great friend of both of ours Danny

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wolf and we were working with you and we

510
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went to Fox and we pitched the idea of

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this of the show well the gentleman who

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was the executive at that time later

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decided he wanted to do the show but he

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awarded it to another bigger more

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powerful production company but Jose you

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know I'll never forget this as long as i

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live in either will Danny you refused to

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do business with them unless Danny and I

519
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agreed and unless they pay Danny and I

520
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exactly and the irony of that is that

521
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,360
they did pay Danny and I you went on and

522
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did it and then you didn't get paid

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terrible go figure that's how I realized

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they never paid you all that's terrible

525
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well you know the reason and you know

526
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the thing was is they wanted that rod

527
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special so bad the problem was it some I

528
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pit i bought i paid like 20 no 28

529
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thousand dollars for a full-page spread

530
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on video magazine you know the video

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magazine it goes out to all the video

532
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stores across the country i bought the

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back page there was rods airing on fox

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TV

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I think it was going to be some it was

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during a false the sweeps you know yeah

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yeah and we even had a date slated but

538
00:26:01,770 --> 00:25:58,990
what happened was 911 happened and that

539
00:26:04,020 --> 00:26:01,780
shut down everything man my TV special

540
00:26:08,159 --> 00:26:04,030
oh I oh gosh I remember that everything

541
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:08,169
in town here in Hollywood production

542
00:26:15,690 --> 00:26:13,120
shut down people stopped buying programs

543
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:15,700
networks because they did not know what

544
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:17,679
people would want to see they did not

545
00:26:24,210 --> 00:26:22,000
know you know what kind of programs that

546
00:26:26,370 --> 00:26:24,220
people would be in the mood for because

547
00:26:29,159 --> 00:26:26,380
the whole country was just devastated in

548
00:26:32,610 --> 00:26:29,169
morning and for those of us you know

549
00:26:34,409 --> 00:26:32,620
struggling TV people out here it was a

550
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:34,419
horrible time in fact that's exactly

551
00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:37,600
what brought the demise of that first

552
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:40,140
production company of mine with danny is

553
00:26:45,539 --> 00:26:43,330
because we had quit our jobs and set up

554
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,549
her company we had sold three shows and

555
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:48,159
then suddenly every one of them fell

556
00:26:54,570 --> 00:26:51,610
fell out yeah we do and didn't end up

557
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:54,580
doing a one of them and and and it was

558
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,799
911 that killed my special the special

559
00:27:04,529 --> 00:26:58,720
that we did was with Nash entertainment

560
00:27:06,090 --> 00:27:04,539
and a good friend of mine was what was a

561
00:27:08,399 --> 00:27:06,100
director of the show he's the one that

562
00:27:11,310 --> 00:27:08,409
had me on hard copy like six times John

563
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:11,320
Moffitt you know good round he's a great

564
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:13,690
guy so you know the special was done and

565
00:27:18,330 --> 00:27:15,610
the agreement was I would get paid once

566
00:27:21,810 --> 00:27:18,340
it aired in the US well it never aired

567
00:27:24,090 --> 00:27:21,820
in the US and I can thank my attorney my

568
00:27:27,690 --> 00:27:24,100
entertainment attorney for not figuring

569
00:27:31,289 --> 00:27:27,700
it out but it aired all over the world

570
00:27:34,860 --> 00:27:31,299
except the units okay out and and and

571
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:34,870
they wait oh go ahead we don't have to

572
00:27:39,659 --> 00:27:37,360
pay you until there's in the US you'll

573
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:39,669
be more than glad to me so that's what

574
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:41,650
happens so now it's all over YouTube and

575
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:43,840
forget about it you know but it was

576
00:27:49,380 --> 00:27:46,840
amazing and you know it was now let

577
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:49,390
remind me about that because did they

578
00:27:57,330 --> 00:27:54,970
end up rappelling down into that cave in

579
00:27:58,899 --> 00:27:57,340
Mexico on that special and on that

580
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:58,909
special no no

581
00:28:04,580 --> 00:28:01,440
remember that was our plan to do that

582
00:28:08,810 --> 00:28:04,590
and so so that amazing cave footage was

583
00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:08,820
not from a fox crew going down and no

584
00:28:15,019 --> 00:28:11,340
but some of the footage that was used

585
00:28:19,129 --> 00:28:15,029
when you look my youtube channel check

586
00:28:22,610 --> 00:28:19,139
out the Fox TV rod that footage was shot

587
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:22,620
years earlier and this rod flies right

588
00:28:29,299 --> 00:28:25,679
underneath the rod is flying flying

589
00:28:31,789 --> 00:28:29,309
straight down as with the base jumper

590
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,799
terminal velocity about nineteen ninety

591
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:33,600
eight miles an hour they're both flying

592
00:28:40,580 --> 00:28:36,720
straight down the rod on its side and

593
00:28:42,139 --> 00:28:40,590
then the rod also passes underneath the

594
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,149
stomach of the guy makes a u-turn it

595
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:44,159
goes backward come from so that's an

596
00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:49,110
impossible thing but the japanese i did

597
00:28:56,570 --> 00:28:51,870
a rod special with all the three major

598
00:28:59,629 --> 00:28:56,580
networks in japan nippon fuji or fuji i

599
00:29:03,799 --> 00:28:59,639
think it is and i keep forgetting the

600
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:03,809
other false I Asahi TV and there was it

601
00:29:07,549 --> 00:29:05,250
took me to the cave of the swallows and

602
00:29:09,619 --> 00:29:07,559
we did repair I didn't repeal but they

603
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:09,629
had guys that went down to the bottom of

604
00:29:13,999 --> 00:29:12,570
the pit which is like large enough where

605
00:29:17,749 --> 00:29:14,009
you can fit the Empire State Building

606
00:29:19,820 --> 00:29:17,759
that's how deepest pit is Wow and they

607
00:29:22,009 --> 00:29:19,830
captured some incredible rod footage too

608
00:29:26,659 --> 00:29:22,019
and add looks like I and it sounds like

609
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:26,669
males hole yeah but remember smells all

610
00:29:33,159 --> 00:29:29,490
from our old art belly remember that but

611
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:33,169
this one has a bottom to it oh okay

612
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:37,970
milky blue sea dogs are over understand

613
00:29:41,899 --> 00:29:40,049
but you know there's a lot of things

614
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:41,909
coming up with the rods phenomena that's

615
00:29:46,639 --> 00:29:44,399
just gonna it's going to be a paradigm

616
00:29:48,919 --> 00:29:46,649
changing event when this film is

617
00:29:52,879 --> 00:29:48,929
released because it leaves without a

618
00:29:55,580 --> 00:29:52,889
doubt the fact that rods are real this

619
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:55,590
is an unknown object of some kind that

620
00:30:01,340 --> 00:29:58,679
has been among us for perhaps thousands

621
00:30:04,690 --> 00:30:01,350
of years and that is pervasive enough to

622
00:30:08,750 --> 00:30:04,700
go unnoticed right under our noses man

623
00:30:12,050 --> 00:30:08,760
then you know the military has captured

624
00:30:16,550 --> 00:30:12,060
footage of them they've absconded food

625
00:30:19,130 --> 00:30:16,560
I mean Fox TV network out of albon in

626
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:19,140
New York back in the day they they were

627
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:21,570
filming this airplane taking off from

628
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:23,370
the airport you know you know how they

629
00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:26,130
do the weather thing whether or making a

630
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:28,380
live feed well this guy captured a rod

631
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,880
flying right over a no-fly zone so the f

632
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:34,080
you know what was it we're going to have

633
00:30:39,410 --> 00:30:36,090
to take a quick break here and we'll

634
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continue this story and more when we get

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686
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com we're talking with Jose escamilla

687
00:34:41,009 --> 00:34:37,179
his amazing discovery that he made gosh

688
00:34:45,539 --> 00:34:41,019
it's been decades ago now and his

689
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:45,549
research into the creature or the flying

690
00:34:51,389 --> 00:34:48,639
object known as rods continues to this

691
00:34:54,180 --> 00:34:51,399
day and more and more evidence is

692
00:35:00,799 --> 00:34:54,190
mounting as technology catches up with

693
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:00,809
these high flying critters I guess so so

694
00:35:10,469 --> 00:35:04,170
what is so the best footage in your mind

695
00:35:13,229 --> 00:35:10,479
to this to date on the rods is the best

696
00:35:16,739 --> 00:35:13,239
latest high-definition footage in that

697
00:35:19,019 --> 00:35:16,749
red bull commercial or on the red camera

698
00:35:21,809 --> 00:35:19,029
at a red bull but then the the red cam

699
00:35:24,269 --> 00:35:21,819
the red cam is the best because it

700
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:24,279
doesn't it totally eliminates everything

701
00:35:28,499 --> 00:35:26,650
else you know there's some people that

702
00:35:30,569 --> 00:35:28,509
are saying a rod's would you bunt 20

703
00:35:35,309 --> 00:35:30,579
years ago no they weren't they were just

704
00:35:37,709 --> 00:35:35,319
not presented the real way you know I

705
00:35:39,150 --> 00:35:37,719
mean it you know doesn't matter whenever

706
00:35:41,999 --> 00:35:39,160
you come out with something there'll

707
00:35:45,779 --> 00:35:42,009
always be people that are saying no you

708
00:35:47,009 --> 00:35:45,789
know before all the evidence is out so

709
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:47,019
there there's always going to be

710
00:35:51,690 --> 00:35:48,640
debunking going on just because

711
00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:51,700
something is debunked you know doesn't

712
00:35:56,459 --> 00:35:54,609
mean it's not true yeah your

713
00:35:58,739 --> 00:35:56,469
intelligence you know no one's

714
00:36:00,839 --> 00:35:58,749
sufficient I mean you know no one's

715
00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:00,849
sufficiently proven that you know it's

716
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:03,339
it doesn't exist or that it's not

717
00:36:08,999 --> 00:36:06,880
something other than insects flying

718
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:09,009
around you know in the chat room people

719
00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:10,960
have been buzzing and and one of the

720
00:36:18,779 --> 00:36:15,430
things i think was built i was saying do

721
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:18,789
you think that orbs you know that we

722
00:36:22,859 --> 00:36:20,529
capture orbs in photographs on my house

723
00:36:26,969 --> 00:36:22,869
is full of orbs you got to come and see

724
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:26,979
Jose and do you think that they could be

725
00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:30,400
living living things or what do you

726
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:33,430
think orbs are or is it a user emulation

727
00:36:37,099 --> 00:36:34,410
to something like that

728
00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:37,109
at in I have your talk I have four

729
00:36:42,020 --> 00:36:39,630
people that I've been in contact with

730
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:42,030
for the last 15 years and I've always

731
00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:46,170
wanted to make an orb movie okay I guess

732
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:48,510
I was just waiting for the technology to

733
00:36:58,490 --> 00:36:53,970
catch up to what's going on and um man

734
00:37:00,799 --> 00:36:58,500
those this lady over and uh in Santa

735
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:00,809
Barbara there's catch them send the most

736
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:04,079
incredible orb footage I mean awesome

737
00:37:08,750 --> 00:37:05,970
shots I want to come over to your place

738
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:08,760
and see what you got you know exacting I

739
00:37:14,660 --> 00:37:10,980
have a special way that we're going to

740
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:14,670
film these everything that is dealing

741
00:37:20,809 --> 00:37:17,369
with orbs has been still photography you

742
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:20,819
know with a flash you know I want to

743
00:37:28,339 --> 00:37:24,240
capture orbs using the flash maybe a

744
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:28,349
strobe but timing it with a camera every

745
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,490
time a flash occurs it continues as

746
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:37,440
filming a film so this way we can catch

747
00:37:44,180 --> 00:37:40,020
them in actual flight and see what the

748
00:37:46,910 --> 00:37:44,190
flight pero se come over because I'm

749
00:37:51,319 --> 00:37:46,920
telling you I've got tons of orbs in

750
00:37:53,359 --> 00:37:51,329
flight on video and in fact there's some

751
00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:53,369
posted on YouTube that someone took at

752
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:56,220
my house I think they're on youtube

753
00:38:04,970 --> 00:38:00,240
under rebecca fearing 'he's amazing orbs

754
00:38:06,589 --> 00:38:04,980
f.e.a.r ing and in fact she filmed some

755
00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:06,599
of them while she was doing a live radio

756
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:08,760
show from my monk from my home office

757
00:38:16,549 --> 00:38:14,609
and then there's others were just around

758
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:16,559
the house but there's some amazing and

759
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:19,770
I've got tons of it thanks of it we'll

760
00:38:26,029 --> 00:38:21,240
have to get together place is a hotbed

761
00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:26,039
of activity well you know as they say if

762
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:27,960
you got activity there once you see one

763
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:30,480
you'll see more so you know I just want

764
00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:32,910
to get the right camera equipment the

765
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:34,440
right camera set up so that we can

766
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,200
really do an in-depth scientific type

767
00:38:42,349 --> 00:38:40,079
study okay that eliminates everything

768
00:38:44,539 --> 00:38:42,359
else all the BS acceptor you know

769
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,549
because there's a lot of debunkers and

770
00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:46,079
skeptics out there they say oh it's not

771
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:48,310
a they're probably popping at

772
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:50,530
and it's all dust particles that's what

773
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:54,010
causes that you know well we're going to

774
00:38:58,650 --> 00:38:56,170
do that but we're going to use it using

775
00:39:02,220 --> 00:38:58,660
this the sky fishing protocol that I've

776
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,230
developed that eliminates everything you

777
00:39:05,460 --> 00:39:03,760
know so what you see is what you really

778
00:39:08,340 --> 00:39:05,470
get and that's where the truth comes out

779
00:39:10,980 --> 00:39:08,350
is you you say all right if you say it's

780
00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:10,990
this then we'll try that but we're going

781
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:13,720
to do this definitely I want to do the

782
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:17,470
major orbit movie I want to do the

783
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:19,510
ultimate or movie just like rods and

784
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:23,680
UFOs I'm gonna do orange man so that's

785
00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:26,650
one of my planned projects Oh somebody

786
00:39:31,860 --> 00:39:28,920
popped it up into the chatroom the

787
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:31,870
footage one of the bits of footage from

788
00:39:37,290 --> 00:39:35,710
my house oh really yeah I see it yeah so

789
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:37,300
you'll have to have to check it out not

790
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:39,010
right now let's talk about your stuff

791
00:39:46,610 --> 00:39:42,400
but what was your do you have an opinion

792
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:46,620
right now on orbs whether they're

793
00:39:55,020 --> 00:39:51,490
sentient creatures living beings you

794
00:39:57,540 --> 00:39:55,030
know alum I've met with a Native

795
00:40:00,530 --> 00:39:57,550
American medicine men and women okay and

796
00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:00,540
when elders what the elders tell is that

797
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:05,590
orbs are spirit forms now either they

798
00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:10,210
are earthly spirits you know like a part

799
00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:11,820
of the consciousness of Mother Earth

800
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:17,080
right or they are human spirits but how

801
00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:18,880
do you prove that that's the only thing

802
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:20,830
is when you start talking about the

803
00:40:28,110 --> 00:40:24,690
spirit world or the the ghosts or the

804
00:40:31,170 --> 00:40:28,120
paranormal phenomenon as ghosts I mean

805
00:40:33,690 --> 00:40:31,180
how do you how do you present that the

806
00:40:36,510 --> 00:40:33,700
best way to present it scientifically is

807
00:40:39,450 --> 00:40:36,520
to film it and eliminate everything else

808
00:40:44,820 --> 00:40:39,460
that's under the Sun you know and if

809
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:44,830
they are human spirits then Wow we have

810
00:40:54,750 --> 00:40:48,810
a crowded backyard don't we you know

811
00:40:56,310 --> 00:40:54,760
yeah so amazing you know I've noticed

812
00:41:01,480 --> 00:40:56,320
one thing about that idea that they

813
00:41:05,170 --> 00:41:01,490
might be living or sentient or something

814
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:05,180
because I notice as we film those things

815
00:41:13,999 --> 00:41:10,490
the longer we film the more there are

816
00:41:16,489 --> 00:41:14,009
it's like you'll start filming and then

817
00:41:19,549 --> 00:41:16,499
you'll get wait a few seconds and one

818
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:19,559
will flash by and then another one and

819
00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:21,119
then another one and then you know the

820
00:41:26,089 --> 00:41:23,460
longer you go sometimes they're just the

821
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:26,099
airs you know just full of them it's

822
00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:27,930
just it's unbelievable and I had the

823
00:41:34,759 --> 00:41:30,599
same thing happened to me when I was in

824
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:34,769
France a couple years ago and we were

825
00:41:40,029 --> 00:41:37,650
staying in a villa and in my bedroom I

826
00:41:43,249 --> 00:41:40,039
was messing around with my camera and

827
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:43,259
when I put on the flash I could see

828
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:45,569
through the you know through the

829
00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:48,569
viewfinder thing that things started

830
00:41:54,289 --> 00:41:51,180
going by and then I finally got up and

831
00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:54,299
called somebody in my room and he was a

832
00:41:58,849 --> 00:41:56,910
big debunker and he comes in and goes I

833
00:42:02,809 --> 00:41:58,859
said please just explain to me what this

834
00:42:04,910 --> 00:42:02,819
is please tell me bugs what is it and so

835
00:42:06,739 --> 00:42:04,920
he started going oh my god and he stayed

836
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:06,749
in there like for two hours we were just

837
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:09,930
filming stuff and I would film him

838
00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:12,089
standing in the corner and they would be

839
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:13,950
flying around him and one just started

840
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:16,140
orbiting around his waist going around

841
00:42:21,499 --> 00:42:18,930
and around his waist and then I got in

842
00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:21,509
the corner and one big one came right

843
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:23,849
out of my head he said it just went like

844
00:42:29,859 --> 00:42:26,970
bloop and was as big as my head and I

845
00:42:32,809 --> 00:42:29,869
got a lot of them on still images then

846
00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:32,819
but not nearly as many as I as I was

847
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:37,079
seeing through the camera and and I

848
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:40,049
didn't get any moving images and until I

849
00:42:46,670 --> 00:42:43,680
came here and I just had a funny feeling

850
00:42:48,589 --> 00:42:46,680
that there might be something here and

851
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:48,599
we'd heard things you know walking

852
00:42:54,979 --> 00:42:50,249
around in the attic and things like that

853
00:42:57,710 --> 00:42:54,989
late at night and didn't feel scary it

854
00:43:01,309 --> 00:42:57,720
just felt like somebody was here and so

855
00:43:03,259 --> 00:43:01,319
I started looking and then suddenly it

856
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:03,269
was just crazy and then we had a party

857
00:43:07,489 --> 00:43:04,650
one night and everybody brought their

858
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:07,499
cameras and we all got them awesome

859
00:43:11,749 --> 00:43:10,380
that's great yeah we'll definitely have

860
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:11,759
to do that because I do want to produce

861
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:14,650
this film also i received

862
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:18,160
orb footage I mean orb photography from

863
00:43:25,050 --> 00:43:22,000
out of Hong Kong okay and there was a

864
00:43:27,540 --> 00:43:25,060
guy living in a skyscraper and this

865
00:43:29,310 --> 00:43:27,550
these orbs were incredibly different

866
00:43:33,300 --> 00:43:29,320
than anything I've ever seen they had

867
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:33,310
spikes on him they were orbs and they

868
00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:35,290
had like faces and things in the center

869
00:43:40,020 --> 00:43:36,760
of them but they had spikes they were

870
00:43:42,570 --> 00:43:40,030
like uh these prickly pears or what do

871
00:43:45,810 --> 00:43:42,580
you call those a round prickly things

872
00:43:48,540 --> 00:43:45,820
man that have spikes coming out of the

873
00:43:51,570 --> 00:43:48,550
whole perimeter of these round things

874
00:43:54,090 --> 00:43:51,580
and the curious thing is is that this

875
00:43:57,390 --> 00:43:54,100
guy was like on the 14th 15th floor of

876
00:43:59,460 --> 00:43:57,400
his skyscraper and there were other

877
00:44:01,590 --> 00:43:59,470
skyscrapers but they were there were

878
00:44:04,590 --> 00:44:01,600
buildings and units of people living in

879
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:04,600
these high skyscrapers one of these orbs

880
00:44:13,230 --> 00:44:08,800
was big and its reflection appeared on

881
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:13,240
one of the windows of the of one of the

882
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:15,910
skyscrapers you know so it was

883
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:19,450
definitely something that had mass it

884
00:44:26,070 --> 00:44:23,050
was something that definitely was self

885
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:26,080
illuminating okay it was definitely not

886
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:28,210
a dust particle because it was far

887
00:44:34,290 --> 00:44:31,570
enough away that it shine itself on to

888
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:34,300
the windows of the skyscraper it was

889
00:44:40,050 --> 00:44:36,370
next to which was about maybe two city

890
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:40,060
blocks away so this is the kind of stuff

891
00:44:44,910 --> 00:44:41,920
that I'm looking for I want to get stuff

892
00:44:50,010 --> 00:44:44,920
that is undeniable as to what it is or

893
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:50,020
it is not you know and all right nothing

894
00:44:58,170 --> 00:44:55,330
is proven until you can get a enough

895
00:45:00,560 --> 00:44:58,180
evidence that says all right you repeat

896
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:00,570
this and repeat this this is what it is

897
00:45:07,830 --> 00:45:05,680
okay however one of the parts that I had

898
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:07,840
the problems with with the rods is that

899
00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:12,420
a lot of people were filming moths and

900
00:45:19,980 --> 00:45:14,920
insects purposefully using the low

901
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:19,990
shutter setting okay and a good example

902
00:45:26,250 --> 00:45:22,450
is Monster quest I did this show with

903
00:45:28,020 --> 00:45:26,260
mice request they told me they promised

904
00:45:28,450 --> 00:45:28,030
me they were going to do justice to the

905
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:28,460
rust

906
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:29,690
were definitely going to show all the

907
00:45:36,849 --> 00:45:32,960
evidence well what they did and I've got

908
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:36,859
a video out there with Joe Rogan in it

909
00:45:40,450 --> 00:45:38,450
it's called Jose ischaemia versus

910
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:40,460
monster quest and this is the show that

911
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:43,490
people multitudes of people saw it and

912
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:45,650
they believed it that rods are nothing

913
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:47,119
but insects I mean I got my life

914
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:49,520
threatened because people saw this show

915
00:45:57,930 --> 00:45:53,599
okay when they deliberately eliminated

916
00:46:00,430 --> 00:45:57,940
doing a broad daylight shooting of rods

917
00:46:03,700 --> 00:46:00,440
you have to see this jose Escamilla

918
00:46:06,030 --> 00:46:03,710
versus monster quest Gail look at that

919
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:06,040
that's how that's how they how

920
00:46:12,460 --> 00:46:09,170
monsterQuest screwed me all right and

921
00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:12,470
now a payback is gonna be a [\h__\h]

922
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:15,950
believe me that's now I thought now I've

923
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:17,599
got the foot is just going to blow their

924
00:46:25,180 --> 00:46:20,930
asses out of the water and they all down

925
00:46:29,890 --> 00:46:25,190
al okay payback like just a payback's a

926
00:46:32,250 --> 00:46:29,900
[\h__\h] besides that this could get

927
00:46:36,609 --> 00:46:32,260
syndicated and you're gonna get me

928
00:46:39,339 --> 00:46:36,619
censored that's not a cuss word is it oh

929
00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:39,349
it's not oh that's right we were talking

930
00:46:48,460 --> 00:46:46,310
about dogs right yeah this other that

931
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,470
was a good thing you know for them to do

932
00:46:53,530 --> 00:46:51,200
that you know it was and then you know

933
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:53,540
they glossed over everything that the

934
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:55,040
space footage they said that's probably

935
00:46:59,650 --> 00:46:57,410
debris they eliminated they didn't go

936
00:47:01,839 --> 00:46:59,660
into detail about checking it out man

937
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:01,849
you know there was rods flying in space

938
00:47:06,310 --> 00:47:04,310
and they said that's probably debris the

939
00:47:08,349 --> 00:47:06,320
underwater rod for as I said probably a

940
00:47:11,380 --> 00:47:08,359
fish I mean that's the way they

941
00:47:16,359 --> 00:47:11,390
eliminated at UH the the rod coming out

942
00:47:18,190 --> 00:47:16,369
of the out of the tornado winds you know

943
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:18,200
they said there's probably debris I mean

944
00:47:22,270 --> 00:47:20,930
that's how they washed over all the

945
00:47:24,730 --> 00:47:22,280
important footage that if they had

946
00:47:27,310 --> 00:47:24,740
focused on it it would eliminate it any

947
00:47:30,670 --> 00:47:27,320
insect theory and if they would have

948
00:47:33,130 --> 00:47:30,680
done I mean I sent them footage of rod

949
00:47:36,099 --> 00:47:33,140
models that were made by the guys over

950
00:47:39,070 --> 00:47:36,109
at MIT they did not include it instead

951
00:47:40,780 --> 00:47:39,080
they showed the stupid rod thing in a

952
00:47:41,860 --> 00:47:40,790
wind tunnel which was it will never fly

953
00:47:45,070 --> 00:47:41,870
but he

954
00:47:47,860 --> 00:47:45,080
we have models of rods type proposing

955
00:47:51,610 --> 00:47:47,870
that works I mean that's what they did

956
00:47:53,980 --> 00:47:51,620
anyway I know I am griping about it you

957
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:53,990
know but it's just it's just a travesty

958
00:48:00,880 --> 00:47:55,970
what they did about the rods but like I

959
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:00,890
say payback is coming back man look out

960
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:03,050
and now I have the footage that's just

961
00:48:08,290 --> 00:48:04,850
gonna totally make them look like the

962
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:08,300
creeks that they are so anyway look out

963
00:48:15,310 --> 00:48:12,160
the rod man cometh hey the rod man a

964
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:15,320
mess somebody the chat room last how

965
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:17,090
come I've kept with the research because

966
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:18,410
I know they're real I've seen it with a

967
00:48:24,340 --> 00:48:21,410
naked eye man I've seen the out right

968
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:24,350
there in front of me you know and then I

969
00:48:28,990 --> 00:48:26,690
fell I mean and using the best

970
00:48:31,420 --> 00:48:29,000
technology that had at the time and now

971
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:31,430
that I've got the technology that I mean

972
00:48:36,820 --> 00:48:34,160
the red camp you cannot lie to the

973
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:36,830
people with the red cap that camera is

974
00:48:42,340 --> 00:48:39,680
the highest resolution camera at 2,000

975
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:42,350
frames per second forget it man you know

976
00:48:47,470 --> 00:48:45,710
you can stop a bullet you have a copy of

977
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:47,480
that at home like a watermark coffee or

978
00:48:51,970 --> 00:48:49,910
something I'll send it to you Renee

979
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:51,980
y'all I'll let you see it I just can't

980
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:53,810
love to see it and show it to the public

981
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:56,090
that's the promise I made to the guy

982
00:48:59,260 --> 00:48:57,680
that was he will get very angry if you

983
00:49:00,820 --> 00:48:59,270
want if you get in trouble sending it to

984
00:49:03,370 --> 00:49:00,830
me I'll just come by and look at it your

985
00:49:05,340 --> 00:49:03,380
place not sent it to you as long as it

986
00:49:07,540 --> 00:49:05,350
doesn't wind up on youtube or something

987
00:49:09,340 --> 00:49:07,550
you know that's the only thing it's just

988
00:49:11,950 --> 00:49:09,350
that it's not available to the public

989
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:11,960
until I pay for the license that's right

990
00:49:16,810 --> 00:49:13,610
then I can do anything I want to get in

991
00:49:19,090 --> 00:49:16,820
legal trouble yes uh it's important

992
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:19,100
footage enough that proves Rosa real and

993
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:22,310
I don't want to kibosh it you know so

994
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:27,440
yeah you know what aside from the rods

995
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:29,810
which I know that you know that's your

996
00:49:35,770 --> 00:49:32,960
thing that's your your passion almost

997
00:49:37,450 --> 00:49:35,780
obsession with with this research but

998
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:37,460
you know you've captured footage of

999
00:49:43,540 --> 00:49:40,850
other flying things other objects you've

1000
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:43,550
certainly seen a lot of footage people

1001
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:45,680
have sent you lots of footage once you

1002
00:49:51,550 --> 00:49:48,050
know you became known you sort of became

1003
00:49:55,300 --> 00:49:51,560
a magnet for UFO videos and so you've

1004
00:49:59,560 --> 00:49:55,310
seen a lot of videos a lot of evidence

1005
00:50:02,640 --> 00:49:59,570
what to you has been the best piece of

1006
00:50:06,820 --> 00:50:02,650
evidence that you have seen personally

1007
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:06,830
it says absolutely we are being visited

1008
00:50:18,340 --> 00:50:12,890
i would say i would have to say back is

1009
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:18,350
uh the UFO the rocks could actually be

1010
00:50:25,390 --> 00:50:22,480
you know natural to this place one

1011
00:50:28,810 --> 00:50:25,400
before I answer this new question you

1012
00:50:30,450 --> 00:50:28,820
ask me let me show you something um do

1013
00:50:36,450 --> 00:50:30,460
you remember the Gulf Breeze sightings

1014
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:36,460
yes okay now there's a shot of a

1015
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:40,160
metallic orb a metallic round sphere

1016
00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:44,000
that's hovering you know near this eve

1017
00:50:50,260 --> 00:50:47,750
of this a roof and gulf breeze and then

1018
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:50,270
suddenly this thing just flips out of

1019
00:50:57,610 --> 00:50:55,370
frame okay now what happens is now

1020
00:51:00,610 --> 00:50:57,620
here's the irony of the whole thing what

1021
00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:00,620
happens is is a it's a metallic looking

1022
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:08,680
turns into a glob you know yeah Don a

1023
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:11,170
mirror it's just you know it's very

1024
00:51:17,410 --> 00:51:14,690
liquidy well this thing takes off and

1025
00:51:20,050 --> 00:51:17,420
all of a sudden it stretches sort of

1026
00:51:23,340 --> 00:51:20,060
like a silver metallic thing but then in

1027
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:23,350
the next frame guess what it looks like

1028
00:51:33,610 --> 00:51:28,490
it looks looks like a rod oh now that's

1029
00:51:35,980 --> 00:51:33,620
weird yeah so for all we know but then

1030
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:35,990
again I take it back because I have

1031
00:51:42,190 --> 00:51:37,610
footage now a-rod falling straight down

1032
00:51:44,350 --> 00:51:42,200
on its side not left to right but just

1033
00:51:47,410 --> 00:51:44,360
falling straight down and that's on my

1034
00:51:50,740 --> 00:51:47,420
youtube channel you can see it rod falls

1035
00:51:53,830 --> 00:51:50,750
down word but it's just a curious thing

1036
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,840
that this orb this metallic sphere would

1037
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:55,760
speed away so fast that it would give

1038
00:52:00,130 --> 00:51:57,410
the illusion of it being a black rod

1039
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,140
with appendages and that happens in one

1040
00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:01,760
frame of footage and I'm gonna include

1041
00:52:05,530 --> 00:52:04,190
that in they live in the skies because

1042
00:52:09,390 --> 00:52:05,540
just an important piece of research

1043
00:52:12,609 --> 00:52:09,400
evidence that kind of you know

1044
00:52:15,730 --> 00:52:12,619
qualifies us to say look this could be

1045
00:52:18,849 --> 00:52:15,740
an entirely different thing you know so

1046
00:52:20,410 --> 00:52:18,859
it's just amazing what we found but

1047
00:52:24,009 --> 00:52:20,420
naturally requested the most impressive

1048
00:52:26,410 --> 00:52:24,019
footage i have ever seen is footage that

1049
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:26,420
we captured at Midway and this was I

1050
00:52:32,849 --> 00:52:30,079
believe in November of 1994 it's a

1051
00:52:35,319 --> 00:52:32,859
helicopter a black rotor lyst helicopter

1052
00:52:37,529 --> 00:52:35,329
that is coming from where the airbase

1053
00:52:43,019 --> 00:52:37,539
used to be is coming directly towards us

1054
00:52:45,789 --> 00:52:43,029
suddenly it turns into a metallic sphere

1055
00:52:49,180 --> 00:52:45,799
okay a metallic dome silver metallic

1056
00:52:52,569 --> 00:52:49,190
dome then it goes back to a black

1057
00:52:55,839 --> 00:52:52,579
helicopter without rotors okay then it

1058
00:53:00,039 --> 00:52:55,849
turns back into a silver dome then it

1059
00:53:03,819 --> 00:53:00,049
morphs into a round sphere bright light

1060
00:53:06,579 --> 00:53:03,829
as bright as the Sun then it flies right

1061
00:53:09,130 --> 00:53:06,589
over a property and now becomes a white

1062
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:09,140
orb like we're used to seeing high in

1063
00:53:14,410 --> 00:53:12,710
the sky mmm and that to me was the most

1064
00:53:16,839 --> 00:53:14,420
impressive because it was a black

1065
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:16,849
helicopter that morphed into three

1066
00:53:23,710 --> 00:53:20,240
different shapes now I I've seen that

1067
00:53:28,210 --> 00:53:23,720
rotted dad have you seen effort yes I

1068
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:28,220
have at your place now do you think the

1069
00:53:34,660 --> 00:53:30,890
fact that it morphs in and out of being

1070
00:53:38,740 --> 00:53:34,670
a black helicopter is an indication that

1071
00:53:43,029 --> 00:53:38,750
it could possibly be advanced technology

1072
00:53:46,059 --> 00:53:43,039
built on earth well or do you think it's

1073
00:53:48,339 --> 00:53:46,069
just aliens being smart enough to

1074
00:53:51,849 --> 00:53:48,349
disguise themselves as something from

1075
00:53:54,009 --> 00:53:51,859
Earth well first of all the action that

1076
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:54,019
is happening I mean we also have as a

1077
00:54:01,299 --> 00:53:56,569
round sphere that's leaving a contrail

1078
00:54:03,009 --> 00:54:01,309
okay but it's a round object this is

1079
00:54:06,370 --> 00:54:03,019
activity happening over Roswell New

1080
00:54:11,069 --> 00:54:06,380
Mexico the epicenter of UFO activity and

1081
00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:11,079
if they are testing advanced technology

1082
00:54:16,749 --> 00:54:13,369
it's happening there in Roswell because

1083
00:54:22,029 --> 00:54:16,759
we got the footage to support that you

1084
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:22,039
know we have footage of a f-15 that flew

1085
00:54:25,950 --> 00:54:23,170
right over the

1086
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:25,960
real low maybe about three or four

1087
00:54:31,250 --> 00:54:28,720
hundred feet above the property and 17

1088
00:54:35,329 --> 00:54:31,260
seconds later a basketball-sized

1089
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:35,339
metallic orb follows it follows the jet

1090
00:54:42,030 --> 00:54:38,799
so it's like there's stuff going on out

1091
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:42,040
there you know and it's happening every

1092
00:54:49,380 --> 00:54:45,730
day it's still happening today so I I do

1093
00:54:52,530 --> 00:54:49,390
think that maybe we're seeing technology

1094
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:52,540
advanced technology that has been back

1095
00:54:58,020 --> 00:54:55,569
engineered that we have her hands on but

1096
00:55:00,299 --> 00:54:58,030
I can guarantee you I can guarantee you

1097
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:00,309
some of the stuff that I saw out there

1098
00:55:08,579 --> 00:55:05,200
was not ours it was definitely something

1099
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:08,589
else I mean I saw the best of all worlds

1100
00:55:15,539 --> 00:55:13,450
man and it's how every day if you think

1101
00:55:17,579 --> 00:55:15,549
if you say that with such confidence

1102
00:55:21,780 --> 00:55:17,589
that it wasn't ours how can you be so

1103
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:21,790
sure you can tell it's like it with

1104
00:55:26,339 --> 00:55:24,250
everything else when you see a jet well

1105
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:26,349
you can tell it's made by us but when

1106
00:55:35,329 --> 00:55:30,970
you see something that is gaseous inform

1107
00:55:37,770 --> 00:55:35,339
like it's like a cloud translucent and

1108
00:55:40,020 --> 00:55:37,780
it morphs into different shapes right

1109
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:40,030
before your eyes and it's not metallic

1110
00:55:46,530 --> 00:55:42,970
it's like a gas it's definitely

1111
00:55:51,569 --> 00:55:46,540
something else unless we have that kind

1112
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:51,579
of technology that we've you know that

1113
00:55:58,620 --> 00:55:53,650
we've developed but I don't think so you

1114
00:56:00,240 --> 00:55:58,630
know it's definitely different yeah and

1115
00:56:02,970 --> 00:56:00,250
yeah you know there's a guy named der

1116
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:02,980
Hoff asking you five submitted stuff to

1117
00:56:08,819 --> 00:56:04,690
Bruce Maccabee yeah he has a lot of my

1118
00:56:12,210 --> 00:56:08,829
stuff yeah he did shows with me on hard

1119
00:56:14,099 --> 00:56:12,220
copy sightings you know um maccabees

1120
00:56:16,859 --> 00:56:14,109
great guy you know I hope he's doing

1121
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:16,869
good i heard he was sick yeah I heard

1122
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:20,890
that too yeah I really about that he's

1123
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:23,410
very he's a very special person man he's

1124
00:56:30,539 --> 00:56:28,089
up you know when analyst at UM brings it

1125
00:56:32,329 --> 00:56:30,549
down he brings the scientific equations

1126
00:56:36,030 --> 00:56:32,339
mean I don't know how he does it but

1127
00:56:36,839 --> 00:56:36,040
yeah yeah I hope he stays with us a lot

1128
00:56:40,739 --> 00:56:36,849
longer

1129
00:56:44,089 --> 00:56:40,749
oh yeah absolutely was the absolute best

1130
00:56:48,529 --> 00:56:44,099
well he send him the the rod stuff also

1131
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,539
dr. Jack cashier now dr. Jack kasher Oh

1132
00:56:56,700 --> 00:56:50,799
remember him he was the one that wore

1133
00:56:59,009 --> 00:56:56,710
all sts 45 curr sts-48 footage you know

1134
00:57:02,099 --> 00:56:59,019
with that the UFO flies by and then

1135
00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:02,109
takes a u-turn and something at it okay

1136
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:04,809
he's one that did the physics behind

1137
00:57:13,229 --> 00:57:08,890
that footage and um he's another what

1138
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:13,239
they discussed on sts-48 see if they

1139
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:16,569
discussed on Larry King Madonna Kerr was

1140
00:57:23,249 --> 00:57:20,079
on and I forgot who the debunker was he

1141
00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:23,259
was a well-known UFO debunker at the

1142
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:27,849
time but I remember that footage caused

1143
00:57:34,979 --> 00:57:31,690
quite a stir back then yeah and think

1144
00:57:38,759 --> 00:57:34,989
st. was a you know sloughing off a you

1145
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:38,769
know urine or something waste and we're

1146
00:57:43,499 --> 00:57:40,930
going to yell I see it'sit's i signal

1147
00:57:46,019 --> 00:57:43,509
and flying around and doing I'm not what

1148
00:57:49,049 --> 00:57:46,029
it was urine that's it you know of tanks

1149
00:57:51,329 --> 00:57:49,059
but you know don't fail to do see a lot

1150
00:57:55,259 --> 00:57:51,339
of people don't realize is a lot of that

1151
00:57:59,509 --> 00:57:55,269
footage was shot in ultraviolet light

1152
00:58:03,209 --> 00:57:59,519
spectrum so that footage was invisible

1153
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:03,219
okay and it was in the ultraviolet and

1154
00:58:09,029 --> 00:58:06,609
infrared so um that's what they don't

1155
00:58:10,769 --> 00:58:09,039
explain and the debunkers don't even go

1156
00:58:15,180 --> 00:58:10,779
there because I will eliminate their

1157
00:58:18,209 --> 00:58:15,190
urine crap you know so uh that was shot

1158
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,219
with a pilot and infrared cams which

1159
00:58:24,380 --> 00:58:20,559
record things that are only in the

1160
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:24,390
invisible infrared zone light spectrum

1161
00:58:29,339 --> 00:58:26,890
so you know there's a lot about which

1162
00:58:32,579 --> 00:58:29,349
would be any like super fast moving

1163
00:58:33,870 --> 00:58:32,589
object we're not not no sir to shout why

1164
00:58:36,779 --> 00:58:33,880
they're not visible because they're

1165
00:58:40,380 --> 00:58:36,789
moving too fast or no no they're in a

1166
00:58:43,799 --> 00:58:40,390
different light spectrum I see okay

1167
00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:43,809
that's why infrared film films things

1168
00:58:48,959 --> 00:58:46,900
only in the infrared light spectrum if

1169
00:58:50,550 --> 00:58:48,969
you were to put an infrared lens on your

1170
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:50,560
on your glasses

1171
00:58:55,140 --> 00:58:53,200
and you start seeing things in the

1172
00:58:58,140 --> 00:58:55,150
infrared then you remove the glasses and

1173
00:58:59,940 --> 00:58:58,150
you see clear blue sky you understand I

1174
00:59:01,830 --> 00:58:59,950
mean that's the whole difference there

1175
00:59:05,130 --> 00:59:01,840
are things that are occurring Trevor

1176
00:59:08,790 --> 00:59:05,140
James constable is the godfather of the

1177
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:08,800
infrared filming and he was he found

1178
00:59:14,070 --> 00:59:11,530
that there were invisible UFOs hanging

1179
00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:14,080
out in the infrared zone like in the

1180
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:17,710
infrared light spectrum and these were

1181
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:24,370
gigantic opposed was incredible so uh it

1182
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:28,090
was amazing man and you know a lot of

1183
00:59:34,860 --> 00:59:30,010
this stuff that has been out on the NASA

1184
00:59:38,190 --> 00:59:34,870
footage you know um Martin stubs Martin

1185
00:59:40,740 --> 00:59:38,200
Stubbs has got it came out with it he

1186
00:59:47,130 --> 00:59:40,750
actually downloaded all of the live

1187
00:59:49,260 --> 00:59:47,140
feeds from NASA you know and he and I

1188
00:59:51,810 --> 00:59:49,270
are old friends and you know this is a

1189
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:51,820
lot of stuff that I got is this the guy

1190
00:59:57,870 --> 00:59:54,130
in Canada that you're talking about yeah

1191
00:59:59,280 --> 00:59:57,880
in Vancouver yeah cuz i RW in the chat

1192
01:00:00,780 --> 00:59:59,290
room was just asking about that but you

1193
01:00:05,790 --> 01:00:00,790
know what you're gonna have to answer me

1194
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:05,800
when you come back bigger answer RW when

1195
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:08,410
we get back and because got to take

1196
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:10,810
another quick break so please stay tuned

1197
01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:12,910
we're talking with Jose escamilla and

1198
01:00:17,310 --> 01:00:15,310
we'll be right back well thanks for

1199
01:00:19,710 --> 01:00:17,320
sticking with us through the break and

1200
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:19,720
if you're just tuning in we are night

1201
01:00:25,220 --> 01:00:22,090
vision radio I'm your host Renee Barnett

1202
01:00:29,940 --> 01:00:25,230
and we're talking with UFO researcher

1203
01:00:33,690 --> 01:00:29,950
filmmaker Jose Escamilla the discoverer

1204
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:33,700
of the creature the flying objects

1205
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:37,330
called rods so Jose somebody asked a

1206
01:00:43,260 --> 01:00:39,610
question a while back I'm almost

1207
01:00:45,210 --> 01:00:43,270
positive it was neutron in the chat room

1208
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:45,220
that said that you know you filmed these

1209
01:00:52,590 --> 01:00:50,010
rods going into the water have as

1210
01:00:56,250 --> 01:00:52,600
anybody ever filmed any going through a

1211
01:01:00,090 --> 01:00:56,260
solid object you know we used to think

1212
01:01:01,860 --> 01:01:00,100
that they were able to you know go into

1213
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:01,870
the ground through people's heads and

1214
01:01:06,420 --> 01:01:04,240
things you know

1215
01:01:10,740 --> 01:01:06,430
no I think they're going so fast that

1216
01:01:14,010 --> 01:01:10,750
they it appears to be that they go

1217
01:01:18,290 --> 01:01:14,020
through solid objects however that'll

1218
01:01:23,220 --> 01:01:18,300
take it back there is footage that I

1219
01:01:27,450 --> 01:01:23,230
have where they seem to phase in and out

1220
01:01:30,210 --> 01:01:27,460
of the sky what I mean is you can see a

1221
01:01:33,690 --> 01:01:30,220
white rod come out of nowhere and then

1222
01:01:36,180 --> 01:01:33,700
it phases out into the blue sky then it

1223
01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:36,190
appears back in it's just kind of weird

1224
01:01:41,090 --> 01:01:39,310
by the way Wilbur Alan have you ever

1225
01:01:44,340 --> 01:01:41,100
heard of Wilbur alain resnais oh

1226
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:44,350
absolutely I've had him on my show man

1227
01:01:50,190 --> 01:01:47,290
he's got some of the most amazing rods

1228
01:01:52,380 --> 01:01:50,200
but he's flying right over Washington

1229
01:01:56,210 --> 01:01:52,390
airspace washington DC right over our

1230
01:01:58,670 --> 01:01:56,220
capital uh the no-fly zone here he's got

1231
01:02:01,170 --> 01:01:58,680
squadrons of rods he's got incredible

1232
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:01,180
rod shots and you can tell that they're

1233
01:02:07,230 --> 01:02:04,090
coming in and out of nowhere they were

1234
01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:07,240
probably flying through a portal you

1235
01:02:13,350 --> 01:02:10,270
know huh um yeah somebody in the

1236
01:02:18,450 --> 01:02:13,360
chatroom just said Jim Bob he says

1237
01:02:20,550 --> 01:02:18,460
warnings hahaha yep he says 40 now I you

1238
01:02:23,220 --> 01:02:20,560
know have Will Allen on the show you

1239
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:23,230
know and obviously you know you have

1240
01:02:29,820 --> 01:02:26,050
gotten lots and lots of footage of your

1241
01:02:33,450 --> 01:02:29,830
own of UFOs and in rods and identify

1242
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:33,460
playing objects do you think what is it

1243
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:36,930
about some people that seem to be able

1244
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:40,450
to be the ones that capture a lot of

1245
01:02:44,940 --> 01:02:42,490
footage I mean I there's a lot of people

1246
01:02:46,830 --> 01:02:44,950
I think did it get something random you

1247
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:46,840
know every now and then they're taking a

1248
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:49,090
picture of the kid and you know when

1249
01:02:53,250 --> 01:02:51,520
they get the film back it's you know or

1250
01:02:55,530 --> 01:02:53,260
the way it used to be or when they look

1251
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:55,540
at the photograph they see something in

1252
01:02:59,970 --> 01:02:57,850
the sky behind the kid or something like

1253
01:03:02,040 --> 01:02:59,980
that but then you know that's all never

1254
01:03:05,940 --> 01:03:02,050
happens again but there are certain

1255
01:03:08,970 --> 01:03:05,950
people who seem to be able to capture

1256
01:03:12,090 --> 01:03:08,980
lots and lots of things in the sky why

1257
01:03:15,810 --> 01:03:12,100
we why do you think that is because

1258
01:03:18,530 --> 01:03:15,820
these people pay attention you know I've

1259
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:18,540
always maintained if CNN

1260
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:22,710
what's to do a 24 hour broadcast

1261
01:03:31,170 --> 01:03:29,530
reporting UFO reports okay for 24 hours

1262
01:03:32,790 --> 01:03:31,180
they said okay there's been a UFO

1263
01:03:36,290 --> 01:03:32,800
sighting here UFO sighting there blah

1264
01:03:38,850 --> 01:03:36,300
blah we would seem to have been invaded

1265
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:38,860
that's how much activity happens every

1266
01:03:50,490 --> 01:03:43,450
day and every night around the world so

1267
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:50,500
it's like um Jim Bob's funny oh don't

1268
01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:52,930
look at me just you'll get distracted

1269
01:03:59,660 --> 01:03:57,160
like I do every week they're getting

1270
01:04:01,740 --> 01:03:59,670
wild in there tonight that's some planet

1271
01:04:04,590 --> 01:04:01,750
telling you listeners you should join

1272
01:04:06,750 --> 01:04:04,600
the chat about inception radio network

1273
01:04:08,940 --> 01:04:06,760
com soon because they get pretty rowdy

1274
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:08,950
in there there's some funny stuff going

1275
01:04:15,150 --> 01:04:12,370
on there but um yeah yeah if CNN was to

1276
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:15,160
do a 24 hour broadcast just on UFO

1277
01:04:19,170 --> 01:04:17,200
activity it would seem like we're being

1278
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:19,180
invaded because that's how much stuff is

1279
01:04:23,070 --> 01:04:21,610
happening every day and you know people

1280
01:04:25,890 --> 01:04:23,080
that are out there with digital cams

1281
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:25,900
that are filming weddings or you know

1282
01:04:31,380 --> 01:04:29,290
filming whatever skyscrapers and such

1283
01:04:33,900 --> 01:04:31,390
they happen to capture something is

1284
01:04:36,690 --> 01:04:33,910
because they've been there filming at

1285
01:04:38,780 --> 01:04:36,700
the right place at the right time and I

1286
01:04:41,220 --> 01:04:38,790
tell people hey once you see one rod

1287
01:04:42,810 --> 01:04:41,230
you'll see more once you see an orb

1288
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:42,820
there will be more what you see a UFO

1289
01:04:47,550 --> 01:04:44,890
there will be more so that means there's

1290
01:04:49,380 --> 01:04:47,560
activity going on among us and it's all

1291
01:04:51,630 --> 01:04:49,390
there just like you Renee you say you've

1292
01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:51,640
got activity orb activity at your house

1293
01:04:57,690 --> 01:04:55,510
I mean you've got a hotbed going there

1294
01:04:59,340 --> 01:04:57,700
we just need to get over there and I'm

1295
01:05:00,930 --> 01:04:59,350
definitely coming over I promise I'm

1296
01:05:03,570 --> 01:05:00,940
gonna come over there with it yeah yeah

1297
01:05:06,810 --> 01:05:03,580
I would like to see how you know what we

1298
01:05:09,900 --> 01:05:06,820
can capture because frankly the filming

1299
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:09,910
that we've done here has all been on our

1300
01:05:17,460 --> 01:05:13,450
cell phones now what's really weird is

1301
01:05:21,540 --> 01:05:17,470
it seems to work best with blackberries

1302
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:21,550
I had a blackberry and it was time for

1303
01:05:24,990 --> 01:05:23,650
me to get a new phone and because of the

1304
01:05:27,780 --> 01:05:25,000
orb footage we were getting on the

1305
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:27,790
blackberries I got another one I got the

1306
01:05:33,230 --> 01:05:30,880
blackberry q10 which is kind of a new

1307
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:33,240
one and I think it's already

1308
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:35,920
probably discontinued I think it's going

1309
01:05:42,420 --> 01:05:40,090
to last very long but it I get great orb

1310
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:42,430
footage on that but I would like to see

1311
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:46,720
with night vision with you know other

1312
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:49,330
ways of filming other ways alighting if

1313
01:05:55,470 --> 01:05:52,690
we could get it on you know a better

1314
01:05:58,160 --> 01:05:55,480
camera we've got some pretty good

1315
01:06:03,360 --> 01:05:58,170
footage for these little cameras but

1316
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:03,370
yeah we did was when we had the party we

1317
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:06,970
people stood in a line in my dining room

1318
01:06:13,530 --> 01:06:10,450
and shot toward my living room so if we

1319
01:06:17,580 --> 01:06:13,540
were each standing side by side and we

1320
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:17,590
all got orbs but the two of us that had

1321
01:06:25,650 --> 01:06:21,610
blackberries got them the best and the

1322
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:25,660
most and somebody had an iphone somebody

1323
01:06:31,140 --> 01:06:28,210
had some kind of Android and I forgot

1324
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:31,150
what the other one had but we were there

1325
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:33,130
was like five of us standing there all

1326
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:36,640
shooting at the same thing and it was

1327
01:06:42,110 --> 01:06:38,290
amazing what showed up on the blackberry

1328
01:06:45,900 --> 01:06:42,120
now I don't know why that would be but

1329
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:45,910
but this is 10 we have a good question

1330
01:06:50,010 --> 01:06:48,610
here from the chat room not that the

1331
01:06:52,310 --> 01:06:50,020
other ones haven't been good they've all

1332
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:52,320
been brilliant of course but der says

1333
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:55,090
Renee does jose know if any government

1334
01:07:02,390 --> 01:06:57,370
agency is researching this phenomenon

1335
01:07:06,030 --> 01:07:02,400
and as MUFON taking interest in this

1336
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:06,040
well you know I know definitely that

1337
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:08,970
there are government agencies that are

1338
01:07:14,850 --> 01:07:12,010
into it I mean that's what they do you

1339
01:07:17,370 --> 01:07:14,860
know mm-hmm that's why they create

1340
01:07:20,300 --> 01:07:17,380
groups that are out there debunking us

1341
01:07:23,220 --> 01:07:20,310
and you know causing havoc but uh

1342
01:07:25,620 --> 01:07:23,230
absolutely man i mean i don't see that

1343
01:07:27,210 --> 01:07:25,630
there would not be a government agency

1344
01:07:29,790 --> 01:07:27,220
after that is not interested in this

1345
01:07:34,020 --> 01:07:29,800
stuff because the stuff is happening

1346
01:07:36,570 --> 01:07:34,030
it's there you know so I I definitely

1347
01:07:40,500 --> 01:07:36,580
think that there's some agency I

1348
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:40,510
wouldn't even begin to think where to

1349
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:43,690
start but definitely don't know when you

1350
01:07:46,610 --> 01:07:45,370
when you first start shooting cuz

1351
01:07:50,340 --> 01:07:46,620
somebody

1352
01:07:53,340 --> 01:07:50,350
back a ways back in the chat room and i

1353
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:53,350
apologize i don't remember now who who

1354
01:08:01,170 --> 01:07:56,610
asked a question but wondered whether

1355
01:08:04,530 --> 01:08:01,180
any rods had been shot on other than

1356
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:04,540
digital video so when you first started

1357
01:08:07,980 --> 01:08:06,010
getting rods you weren't using digital

1358
01:08:09,890 --> 01:08:07,990
right no no we didn't have that

1359
01:08:12,810 --> 01:08:09,900
technology back then we were using

1360
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:12,820
regular via linear video tape man you

1361
01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:16,690
know however the way we got around the

1362
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:19,510
errors and see what there was like beta

1363
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:23,530
beta SP or about a half we had VHS of

1364
01:08:31,020 --> 01:08:28,330
super VHS all right right cams I didn't

1365
01:08:33,090 --> 01:08:31,030
have any Beta cams chem cameras because

1366
01:08:35,099 --> 01:08:33,100
they were all destroyed during the

1367
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:35,109
earthquake but I know what they're

1368
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:38,290
driving at and that's why the big

1369
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:40,810
difference is now that we have the

1370
01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:44,170
technology has finally arrived that

1371
01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:48,490
works hmm it is finally arrived you know

1372
01:08:55,860 --> 01:08:53,230
the red cam there's there's the Canon

1373
01:08:57,660 --> 01:08:55,870
cameras man I mean they're amazing I

1374
01:09:01,800 --> 01:08:57,670
mean we can shoot up to 60 frames on

1375
01:09:04,740 --> 01:09:01,810
regular camcorder then you've got the

1376
01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:04,750
the red one man my gosh I mean what more

1377
01:09:10,410 --> 01:09:08,319
do you want this is it we have we now

1378
01:09:13,670 --> 01:09:10,420
have the technology that's finally

1379
01:09:20,930 --> 01:09:13,680
caught up to where we can film anomalies

1380
01:09:25,740 --> 01:09:20,940
in disguise underwater in space and

1381
01:09:28,440 --> 01:09:25,750
infrared and night vision yeah I get a

1382
01:09:30,750 --> 01:09:28,450
question from bill and an orc who was no

1383
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:30,760
please ask jose f infrared or night

1384
01:09:35,849 --> 01:09:32,530
vision allows for more viewing of these

1385
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:35,859
rods I certainly no infrared would write

1386
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:38,650
well infrared and night-vision shot in

1387
01:09:43,950 --> 01:09:41,710
broad daylight allows you to see UFOs

1388
01:09:47,070 --> 01:09:43,960
rods and other things that are up there

1389
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:47,080
and that's logic night vision in

1390
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:52,960
daylight yes wow what happened was back

1391
01:09:59,700 --> 01:09:55,330
in nineteen ninety nine I believe of 98

1392
01:10:02,370 --> 01:09:59,710
96 somewhere on there Sony cameras Rico

1393
01:10:06,060 --> 01:10:02,380
called millions of their camcorders

1394
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:06,070
because they were allowing people to see

1395
01:10:11,459 --> 01:10:08,170
things and film things they were not

1396
01:10:13,820 --> 01:10:11,469
supposed to see they were filming ghosts

1397
01:10:18,330 --> 01:10:13,830
they were filming invisible people

1398
01:10:20,130 --> 01:10:18,340
shadows UFOs in the infrared spectrum in

1399
01:10:22,170 --> 01:10:20,140
a night-vision spectra on the night shot

1400
01:10:24,420 --> 01:10:22,180
and then when I supposed to so they

1401
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:24,430
recalled all these cameras the reason

1402
01:10:30,150 --> 01:10:27,489
being is that they had there was an

1403
01:10:31,620 --> 01:10:30,160
error technologically that allowed

1404
01:10:35,340 --> 01:10:31,630
people to see things and some things

1405
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:35,350
they weren't supposed to see so that's

1406
01:10:40,940 --> 01:10:38,560
what's happened is that somebody found

1407
01:10:43,380 --> 01:10:40,950
out that look if you remove a certain

1408
01:10:46,140 --> 01:10:43,390
obstacle that Sony inserts into the

1409
01:10:49,470 --> 01:10:46,150
camcorders you will be able to use night

1410
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:49,480
vision in broad daylight and see things

1411
01:10:55,950 --> 01:10:52,810
you're not supposed to see so that's

1412
01:10:59,459 --> 01:10:55,960
what the technology is today and a

1413
01:11:03,240 --> 01:10:59,469
perfect example is Sean gutrot my friend

1414
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:03,250
in norleans he's the main hall inside

1415
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:06,130
that's nawlins nawlins norris he's the

1416
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:10,510
control so on yeah he says they blamed

1417
01:11:15,090 --> 01:11:13,120
the bathing suit excuse because people

1418
01:11:18,740 --> 01:11:15,100
were filming people's lookin people's

1419
01:11:22,140 --> 01:11:18,750
clothes like x-ray vision you know and

1420
01:11:23,900 --> 01:11:22,150
so yes I remember that yeah well these

1421
01:11:26,700 --> 01:11:23,910
cameras were taken off the market

1422
01:11:28,500 --> 01:11:26,710
specifically because it was a lot of the

1423
01:11:30,690 --> 01:11:28,510
sea things are not supposed to see and

1424
01:11:33,630 --> 01:11:30,700
believe me it was more than naked bodies

1425
01:11:37,500 --> 01:11:33,640
they were seeing ghosts they were seeing

1426
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:37,510
UFOs and other entities in these cameras

1427
01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:41,110
so nawlins there you go nawlins yeah so

1428
01:11:48,209 --> 01:11:44,110
uh Sean I'm sorry I didn't make it that

1429
01:11:50,940 --> 01:11:48,219
day man when you were on man anyway but

1430
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:50,950
this has been a really good night good

1431
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:53,920
night for us yeah good good you know

1432
01:11:58,890 --> 01:11:56,890
what we're down to like the final 15

1433
01:12:00,840 --> 01:11:58,900
minutes of the show and we haven't even

1434
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:00,850
gotten to the moon structures yet so

1435
01:12:08,850 --> 01:12:03,850
let's talk about some of your moon

1436
01:12:11,370 --> 01:12:08,860
photography and and how what you found

1437
01:12:12,690 --> 01:12:11,380
what you found on the moon well when I

1438
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:12,700
did you have for the greatest story

1439
01:12:17,130 --> 01:12:13,450
tonight

1440
01:12:20,250 --> 01:12:17,140
I did a section on the moon you know and

1441
01:12:21,870 --> 01:12:20,260
the astronauts seeing UFOs and that kind

1442
01:12:24,890 --> 01:12:21,880
of stuff and I come to find out that

1443
01:12:27,690 --> 01:12:24,900
ninety-eight percent of the Apollo

1444
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:27,700
photography has been tampered with by

1445
01:12:34,110 --> 01:12:30,400
NASA they've cut out certain areas of

1446
01:12:36,330 --> 01:12:34,120
the moon's sky if they have erased or

1447
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:36,340
blurred a lot of things that were

1448
01:12:41,300 --> 01:12:38,410
captured on the moon but the most

1449
01:12:44,610 --> 01:12:41,310
impressive thing that I found out was in

1450
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:44,620
2009 when I was making moon rising which

1451
01:12:48,150 --> 01:12:46,090
was a film dedicated to the moon

1452
01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:48,160
anomalies okay after i did UFO the

1453
01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:49,900
greatest river the United I said I gotta

1454
01:12:54,330 --> 01:12:52,450
do a whole movie just on the moon it's

1455
01:12:56,820 --> 01:12:54,340
amazing what they've done and what's

1456
01:13:00,510 --> 01:12:56,830
there and blah blah blah so I was

1457
01:13:03,780 --> 01:13:00,520
looking for a shot in that film where we

1458
01:13:07,050 --> 01:13:03,790
zoom from Earth Willi Burke and we zoom

1459
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:07,060
up to the moon and we arrived at the

1460
01:13:11,610 --> 01:13:09,040
moon about a hundred miles above the

1461
01:13:15,210 --> 01:13:11,620
surface so I contacted a lot of

1462
01:13:17,970 --> 01:13:15,220
special-effects guys that Merkel's Star

1463
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:17,980
Trek and Battlestar and all these films

1464
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:20,320
and TV shows said hey guys where do you

1465
01:13:34,050 --> 01:13:30,660
replicas that I can use they said go to

1466
01:13:36,810 --> 01:13:34,060
map a planetoid every one of them said

1467
01:13:39,090 --> 01:13:36,820
it uncle so that's where you get Saturn

1468
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:39,100
and Jupiter and Mars and all that they

1469
01:13:44,910 --> 01:13:42,610
said yeah map a planet org well it turns

1470
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:44,920
out that map a planet org is the United

1471
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:48,850
States Geological Survey website that

1472
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:52,090
has mapped all the planets and what I

1473
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:54,640
mean by Matt it's like when NASA goes

1474
01:14:00,570 --> 01:13:57,010
over there sends a probe they film the

1475
01:14:04,530 --> 01:14:00,580
moon you know in strips you know every

1476
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:04,540
rotation they film and they they lay out

1477
01:14:10,260 --> 01:14:07,090
the whole surface of the moon on as a

1478
01:14:12,510 --> 01:14:10,270
flat photo now when you take that flat

1479
01:14:16,890 --> 01:14:12,520
photo and you wrap it around a sphere in

1480
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:16,900
your 3d CGI program it now becomes the

1481
01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:20,560
moon an exact replica well when I went

1482
01:14:24,750 --> 01:14:22,480
there any one of your listeners can go

1483
01:14:26,260 --> 01:14:24,760
then go to Matt a planet or I'm going to

1484
01:14:31,930 --> 01:14:26,270
type this into the chat room

1485
01:14:34,900 --> 01:14:31,940
map a cool anat org map planet not org

1486
01:14:36,670 --> 01:14:34,910
Napa planted out or go there and you're

1487
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:36,680
going to see right away all the planets

1488
01:14:42,610 --> 01:14:38,330
and everything else click on the gray

1489
01:14:44,860 --> 01:14:42,620
moon icon it'll take you to the landing

1490
01:14:47,410 --> 01:14:44,870
page where you see ten different

1491
01:14:49,540 --> 01:14:47,420
variations of moon photography in the

1492
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:49,550
top row in the dead center it says

1493
01:14:59,080 --> 01:14:55,610
natural color ok click there and I did

1494
01:15:01,570 --> 01:14:59,090
that in nineteen night and 2009 and I

1495
01:15:04,930 --> 01:15:01,580
did it it totally changed my perspective

1496
01:15:09,580 --> 01:15:04,940
on the moon forever now here's a photo

1497
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:09,590
that was just uploaded wants adopo Meyer

1498
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:11,770
it's on the front side of the moon and

1499
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:15,050
if you look closely in the big crater

1500
01:15:19,780 --> 01:15:17,690
there's a bright light to its left

1501
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:19,790
there's a tower and you can see the

1502
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:23,330
number two on that tower that's an

1503
01:15:28,030 --> 01:15:25,760
amazing thing and then on the on the

1504
01:15:31,380 --> 01:15:28,040
lower right there's another crater that

1505
01:15:34,990 --> 01:15:31,390
seems to have a dome that's been broken

1506
01:15:38,830 --> 01:15:35,000
pretty amazing stuff but anyway mattapan

1507
01:15:41,410 --> 01:15:38,840
agarro check it out people oh that's

1508
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:41,420
that's great i went there and i

1509
01:15:47,070 --> 01:15:44,690
downloaded 850 photos which comprised

1510
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:47,080
the whole map of the moon in full color

1511
01:15:53,470 --> 01:15:50,480
taken by the Clementine mission in 1994

1512
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:53,480
full color photography of what the moon

1513
01:15:59,050 --> 01:15:57,530
really looks like okay so all these

1514
01:16:01,060 --> 01:15:59,060
years they've been telling us that the

1515
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:01,070
moon is nothing but a gray and black and

1516
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:06,320
white orb that orbits around Earth which

1517
01:16:12,330 --> 01:16:07,970
is farther from the truth man it's a

1518
01:16:14,890 --> 01:16:12,340
full-color celestial body and the reason

1519
01:16:16,270 --> 01:16:14,900
they tell us that is black and white is

1520
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:16,280
because in black and white you don't

1521
01:16:20,860 --> 01:16:18,170
have any perspective depth of

1522
01:16:22,540 --> 01:16:20,870
perspective in color you see things the

1523
01:16:24,850 --> 01:16:22,550
way we see things here on earth you see

1524
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:24,860
the death of perception you see clouds

1525
01:16:30,670 --> 01:16:28,730
you see smoke you see things that are up

1526
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:30,680
there that otherwise in black and white

1527
01:16:39,870 --> 01:16:37,370
would not be visible so mmm and I have a

1528
01:16:46,590 --> 01:16:39,880
movie called celestial

1529
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:46,600
o people go to TBL n films dot com TB ln

1530
01:16:53,820 --> 01:16:50,650
films com yeah I have a membership

1531
01:16:56,010 --> 01:16:53,830
website and you can go over there as a

1532
01:16:58,560 --> 01:16:56,020
free member you see some of my films for

1533
01:17:03,750 --> 01:16:58,570
free or you can join as a gold member

1534
01:17:07,620 --> 01:17:03,760
and uh you know that's how I make a

1535
01:17:10,980 --> 01:17:07,630
living yep absolutely how I pay for but

1536
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:10,990
bill was asking if you think those Jose

1537
01:17:20,670 --> 01:17:14,080
if you think those disc-shaped objects

1538
01:17:24,090 --> 01:17:20,680
were UFOs there's a shot oh crap

1539
01:17:26,460 --> 01:17:24,100
actually I feel that there are some UFOs

1540
01:17:29,070 --> 01:17:26,470
captured but I didn't included in this

1541
01:17:34,440 --> 01:17:29,080
batch but you can see that thing's a

1542
01:17:38,940 --> 01:17:34,450
base up there oh yeah no I i have my

1543
01:17:42,890 --> 01:17:38,950
gosh i have so much photography of what

1544
01:17:47,490 --> 01:17:42,900
appeared to be cities gold mountains I

1545
01:17:50,250 --> 01:17:47,500
mean it doesn't lift some of stuff up

1546
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:50,260
there when you see the stuff moon I mean

1547
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:52,480
look at these two statute looking things

1548
01:17:59,670 --> 01:17:55,810
that look like an Egyptian mmm

1549
01:18:02,700 --> 01:17:59,680
side-by-side comparison those things are

1550
01:18:05,610 --> 01:18:02,710
about six to seven miles high maybe

1551
01:18:08,490 --> 01:18:05,620
taller but they appear to be Egyptian

1552
01:18:10,860 --> 01:18:08,500
statues don't think they maybe it's my

1553
01:18:13,740 --> 01:18:10,870
perception some kind of statue you know

1554
01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:13,750
you can see the shoulder and arm yeah in

1555
01:18:19,290 --> 01:18:16,510
the head yeah it looks like a standing

1556
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:19,300
side by side yeah i mean it's it's

1557
01:18:23,970 --> 01:18:21,730
resembles something and when you look at

1558
01:18:27,090 --> 01:18:23,980
the lay of the land of the whole photo

1559
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:27,100
in perspective and you see how the lay

1560
01:18:32,550 --> 01:18:29,440
of the land is you go wow those are

1561
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:32,560
definitely upright statues or something

1562
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:37,210
and they are huge and those are not

1563
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:40,860
lying down flat on the surface no no no

1564
01:18:46,380 --> 01:18:43,570
that's why it's something right the

1565
01:18:49,170 --> 01:18:46,390
photo above that one you see the lay of

1566
01:18:52,350 --> 01:18:49,180
the land you can see them there and

1567
01:18:53,580 --> 01:18:52,360
there's a what looks like a big eye or

1568
01:19:01,080 --> 01:18:53,590
something but there's

1569
01:19:03,149 --> 01:19:01,090
staircases statue 5 yeah you can see

1570
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:03,159
where the statues are it's just a lot of

1571
01:19:07,260 --> 01:19:05,290
stuff in that one photo and that's on

1572
01:19:09,180 --> 01:19:07,270
the front side of the moon and when you

1573
01:19:10,979 --> 01:19:09,190
look at the blue orbs that are there a

1574
01:19:19,500 --> 01:19:10,989
lot of them look like they're hovering

1575
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:19,510
in midair hmm and what would you think

1576
01:19:29,310 --> 01:19:26,320
that would be I don't know just there

1577
01:19:32,010 --> 01:19:29,320
it's on the moon and the evidence speaks

1578
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:32,020
for itself I can't make stuff up I mean

1579
01:19:40,260 --> 01:19:35,679
I can just advise and what I think is

1580
01:19:41,850 --> 01:19:40,270
there in my perspective but I mean like

1581
01:19:45,839 --> 01:19:41,860
you've looked at lots and lots and lots

1582
01:19:47,939 --> 01:19:45,849
of footage and and you know you've taken

1583
01:19:52,620 --> 01:19:47,949
a lot of footage yourself so you do have

1584
01:19:54,780 --> 01:19:52,630
a trained eye so you are in pretty much

1585
01:19:57,689 --> 01:19:54,790
of a position that to give a good

1586
01:20:01,830 --> 01:19:57,699
educated opinion but I do have one

1587
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:01,840
question for you we've got about five

1588
01:20:07,649 --> 01:20:04,570
more minutes ok well I better ask it

1589
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:07,659
before we run out of time but have you

1590
01:20:14,370 --> 01:20:11,440
ever had an encounter with an alien

1591
01:20:17,669 --> 01:20:14,380
being or extraterrestrial being or some

1592
01:20:21,839 --> 01:20:17,679
unknown being when i was living in

1593
01:20:23,580 --> 01:20:21,849
Roswell i woke up one morning and you

1594
01:20:26,820 --> 01:20:23,590
know how you're half awake and half

1595
01:20:30,030 --> 01:20:26,830
asleep you know you're just waking up

1596
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:30,040
and you're kind of than that like I

1597
01:20:33,570 --> 01:20:32,080
don't like I don't want to wake up and

1598
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:33,580
you open your eyes and you go back to

1599
01:20:41,660 --> 01:20:35,290
close your eyes open your eyes I

1600
01:20:49,649 --> 01:20:45,300
mantis looking creature right over my

1601
01:20:51,890 --> 01:20:49,659
face I mean at maybe two or three inches

1602
01:20:56,220 --> 01:20:51,900
away from my face it's a praying mantis

1603
01:20:59,280 --> 01:20:56,230
white and it just kept looking at me and

1604
01:21:04,140 --> 01:20:59,290
I blinked and it was gone and I go holy

1605
01:21:06,149 --> 01:21:04,150
cow don't go away you know let me film

1606
01:21:07,300 --> 01:21:06,159
you man what's up you know but it was

1607
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:07,310
like

1608
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:12,890
get the camera man would you go you know

1609
01:21:17,770 --> 01:21:14,960
so I don't know it's just there and then

1610
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:17,780
it and it wasn't it just dis in a blink

1611
01:21:23,380 --> 01:21:21,110
of the mana I it was gone but I opened

1612
01:21:25,570 --> 01:21:23,390
my eyes and it was looking it like see

1613
01:21:28,330 --> 01:21:25,580
it's wash away or did it just blink out

1614
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:28,340
oh no it was right there in my face and

1615
01:21:32,710 --> 01:21:30,290
was like as if you know how a doctor

1616
01:21:35,050 --> 01:21:32,720
looks at you with his like banging

1617
01:21:36,970 --> 01:21:35,060
forehead and he's looking down at your

1618
01:21:38,410 --> 01:21:36,980
face and his right two or three inches

1619
01:21:41,170 --> 01:21:38,420
away from you you could smell his breath

1620
01:21:44,110 --> 01:21:41,180
you know this thing was right in my face

1621
01:21:50,140 --> 01:21:44,120
as I opened my eyes and then I blinked

1622
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:50,150
and it was gone so it was like man you

1623
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:53,120
know come back it's like you may caught

1624
01:21:56,590 --> 01:21:55,250
it like it was looking at you while you

1625
01:21:58,600 --> 01:21:56,600
were asleep and it didn't expect you to

1626
01:22:00,520 --> 01:21:58,610
wake up and then you know you woke up

1627
01:22:03,610 --> 01:22:00,530
anyway oh I better get out of here yeah

1628
01:22:05,140 --> 01:22:03,620
man and it's like man that sucks man you

1629
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:05,150
know why didn't you hang around and you

1630
01:22:10,030 --> 01:22:07,730
know take a pose for me in let me film

1631
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:10,040
you but uh that's one of the encounters

1632
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:12,610
I've had there was another thing to uh

1633
01:22:19,330 --> 01:22:16,130
back in 1966 but what year was that

1634
01:22:21,130 --> 01:22:19,340
before you before you go on decks no

1635
01:22:24,820 --> 01:22:21,140
that was nineteen ninety-five in Roswell

1636
01:22:28,300 --> 01:22:24,830
oh okay well perfect place and then

1637
01:22:29,770 --> 01:22:28,310
there was another one in 1966 me and my

1638
01:22:32,230 --> 01:22:29,780
rock and roll band were coming on across

1639
01:22:35,620 --> 01:22:32,240
bad New Mexico and we see this thing

1640
01:22:37,180 --> 01:22:35,630
come out of the sky was a clear night

1641
01:22:39,850 --> 01:22:37,190
sky three in the morning coming out

1642
01:22:41,370 --> 01:22:39,860
across bed and this thing looked like a

1643
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:41,380
small private plane was going to crash

1644
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:44,000
we all pull down at the bottom of this

1645
01:22:50,500 --> 01:22:47,810
hill and uh this thing flew right over

1646
01:22:53,230 --> 01:22:50,510
us it was a big 30 40 foot diameter

1647
01:22:55,660 --> 01:22:53,240
object with lights flashing on his

1648
01:22:57,370 --> 01:22:55,670
perimeter it was so close to the ground

1649
01:23:01,030 --> 01:22:57,380
I jumped up and try to touch the bottom

1650
01:23:04,810 --> 01:23:01,040
of it gang and then it went down and

1651
01:23:07,810 --> 01:23:04,820
this hill and I've done a reenactment of

1652
01:23:09,700 --> 01:23:07,820
this and they live in the skies of this

1653
01:23:13,540 --> 01:23:09,710
experience that I had because i had UFO

1654
01:23:15,940 --> 01:23:13,550
encounters and after that when i started

1655
01:23:18,100 --> 01:23:15,950
having the UFO experiences there in

1656
01:23:21,010 --> 01:23:18,110
roswell filming them i started having

1657
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:21,020
this recurring dream of me

1658
01:23:26,650 --> 01:23:23,930
in my drummer my drummers dad and my

1659
01:23:29,140 --> 01:23:26,660
bass player they were pushing him my

1660
01:23:31,300 --> 01:23:29,150
drummers dad in the gurney and they go

1661
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:31,310
yeah take him in that room and then the

1662
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:32,960
next scene is I'm walking down this

1663
01:23:39,700 --> 01:23:37,130
graded corridor metal corridor and to my

1664
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:39,710
right there's what appears to be a wall

1665
01:23:45,460 --> 01:23:43,010
with a cutout of the ace of spades you

1666
01:23:47,140 --> 01:23:45,470
know the ace of spades figure and in

1667
01:23:49,570 --> 01:23:47,150
there there's creatures man that I'm

1668
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:49,580
seeing and I feel the presence of some

1669
01:23:55,420 --> 01:23:52,400
tall individuals walking slightly behind

1670
01:23:57,010 --> 01:23:55,430
me I never look at them but I'm saying

1671
01:23:58,840 --> 01:23:57,020
yeah man I keep that one in there that's

1672
01:24:01,660 --> 01:23:58,850
I've seen that one before and better

1673
01:24:03,790 --> 01:24:01,670
keep him behind that you know but I'm

1674
01:24:05,460 --> 01:24:03,800
I'm talking to these and not just a

1675
01:24:08,620 --> 01:24:05,470
recurring dream that I had four times

1676
01:24:12,100 --> 01:24:08,630
well I was in Roswell so I don't know if

1677
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:12,110
I was taken I don't know if this really

1678
01:24:19,530 --> 01:24:15,770
happened but they come at you and dreams

1679
01:24:22,330 --> 01:24:19,540
as far as i know and i haven't had any

1680
01:24:24,940 --> 01:24:22,340
physical contact like you know shook

1681
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:24,950
hands with a guy and said hey I'll talk

1682
01:24:28,930 --> 01:24:27,050
to you later let's have a beer you know

1683
01:24:35,500 --> 01:24:28,940
hasn't been that way it's been sort of

1684
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:35,510
like dreams you know so that's my that's

1685
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:39,170
gonna be sure well that's that's pretty

1686
01:24:45,730 --> 01:24:42,650
wild yeah and is vivid I remember it I

1687
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:45,740
remember it to the T man you know so who

1688
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:52,010
knows who knows where the host wall well

1689
01:24:58,330 --> 01:24:56,930
I think we can end on that note that was

1690
01:24:59,530 --> 01:24:58,340
you know great to hear about your

1691
01:25:00,370 --> 01:24:59,540
personal experiences you know I have

1692
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:00,380
something you and I've never even

1693
01:25:05,140 --> 01:25:02,690
discussed as many times as we chatted

1694
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:05,150
but i want to thank you jose asking me

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01:25:09,190 --> 01:25:07,130
up for being my special guest tonight

1696
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:09,200
and want to thank everybody out there

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01:25:13,180 --> 01:25:10,850
that was listening and that will be

1698
01:25:16,260 --> 01:25:13,190
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1699
01:25:19,310 --> 01:25:16,270
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1700
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:19,320
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01:25:27,919 --> 01:25:23,130
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